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Re: Automobile Association selling shark fin soup???
« Reply #10 on: 06 Feb 12, 16:52 »
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  • all siaokao is saying that the intentions are good, but it may not be the most effective way and there is a larger issue at stake - not just sharks.

    no one here doubts your efforts :D

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    Re: Automobile Association selling shark fin soup???
    « Reply #11 on: 06 Feb 12, 17:53 »
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  • Thanks, antacid! Actually, I share some of siaokao's concerns, maybe the problem is too big?  :'( Sincerely would love to learn better ways to solve the whole problem of the destruction of marine habitat... Anything that a lay person (non marine biology trained) can do, teach me, I will do what I can... Everyone should do! Like picking up plastic etc... ;-) I can't sit around & expect to be part of the solution...

    Or better start by warning your Aussie & EU friends to stop having flakes & chips? http://sgforums.com/forums/4/topics/316725
    Channel NewsAsia - Wednesday, May 7, 2008

    Tests show shark meat samples contain high levels of mercury

    SINGAPORE: Shark’s fin lovers beware. Some shark meat contains high levels of mercury that may be harmful to you.

    The Singapore Environment Council (SEC) and international conservation group Wildaid on Monday said tests done on 10 random shark meat samples here show that three contained mercury readings higher than 0.5 ppm (parts per million) the maximum mercury residue limit in Singapore.

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    Re: Automobile Association selling shark fin soup???
    « Reply #12 on: 06 Feb 12, 19:42 »
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  • I will be personally insulted if you mean that Shark Savers's objective is not necessary saving sharks... Maybe I do it for fun?(maybe I have nothing better to do with my weekends) fame? (notoriety amongst relatives for turning down invitations) money? (I receive NO money for this btw & have a full-time job)
    Cat, I have 101% respect and truely admire your efforts.  No doubt abt this.  :)

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    I am a part of Shark Savers because I also believe that saving sharks starts with ourselves - the consumers, if there is no demand, there is no supply, it is effective & simple... I can't change the world, so start changing myself & the people around me...
    Yes, I also think that many other species need our help - start by not consuming species that are caught by long-lines - tuna & swordfish etc... The Southern Bluefin tuna is in a worse stage than the panda - it is critically endangered BUT had I EVER eaten it? I think not! Given a chance, would I eat it? NO! If I know anyone who eats it, would I stop him/her - YES! I would do the same for wild turtles, swordfish, Napoleon wrasse etc.
    I can understand and agree with that statement you made.. as long as its referring to saving elephants, rhinos, even bluefin tunas!  Anything that takes efforts to target/illegally hunt and bring to market. But when if comes to sharks, my opinion is that statement over simplify things.  Targeting consumption and not bycatch will still have sharks dying for no good reason.

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    Btw, Shark Savers also has a shark sanctuaries program - where not only sharks but others like dugongs, turtles etc are protected... (& there are other environmental groups that raised funds & worked with the local govt. to set-up marine sanctuaries else where...) & WWF Sg has also launched a seafood guide - to help people make a better choice.
    I've no problem with that, and I do think sanctuaries are good in that they not only help our ocean recovers but also support sustainable fishing activities. :)

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    Sorry, if my best is NOT good enough for you BUT I will not stop barking at people...  ???

    Why don't you help us identify a good NGO? Or maybe start one yourself?   ;)
    Well, I'm only offering my opinion and if you take it as I'm barking madly, please ignore me.  ;)

    While at the subject of barking, I do think as I diver, there is a need for me to say with I've said.  Because at this rate, general public MAY increasingly see us as insensitive, self-righteous group.  Although I must say its pretty hip these days barking about sharksfins... But as far as our sharks are concern.. these barks may lack some bite?  :P
    So they call it a 'FACT' coz someone made some statements on a 'FACT SHEET'? hummm...

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    Re: Automobile Association selling shark fin soup???
    « Reply #13 on: 06 Feb 12, 19:59 »
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  • Thanks, antacid! Actually, I share some of siaokao's concerns, maybe the problem is too big?  :'( Sincerely would love to learn better ways to solve the whole problem of the destruction of marine habitat... Anything that a lay person (non marine biology trained) can do, teach me, I will do what I can... Everyone should do! Like picking up plastic etc... ;-) I can't sit around & expect to be part of the solution...

    Or better start by warning your Aussie & EU friends to stop having flakes & chips? http://sgforums.com/forums/4/topics/316725
    Channel NewsAsia - Wednesday, May 7, 2008

    Tests show shark meat samples contain high levels of mercury

    SINGAPORE: Shark’s fin lovers beware. Some shark meat contains high levels of mercury that may be harmful to you.

    The Singapore Environment Council (SEC) and international conservation group Wildaid on Monday said tests done on 10 random shark meat samples here show that three contained mercury readings higher than 0.5 ppm (parts per million) the maximum mercury residue limit in Singapore.
    Cat, as much as I do not generally agree with sharks savers and other anti sharkfins groups, I'm genuinely concern about sharks and the rest of our ocean.  As mentioned in my earlier post, I truly admire ur efforts.. u r putting in so much more den I possibly can/will.

    What I'm trying to do here is to share that little knowledge I have with the hope that precious efforts you and fellow divers/ocean lovers put in actually make a difference.  I'm also aware what I say go against the organization you support, but I do have some insights into this industry and I think I should share them.

    I'm sorry if I offended or hurt you in anyway, thats certainly not my intend.  :-\
    « Last Edit: 06 Feb 12, 20:04 by siaokao »
    So they call it a 'FACT' coz someone made some statements on a 'FACT SHEET'? hummm...

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    Re: Automobile Association selling shark fin soup???
    « Reply #14 on: 07 Feb 12, 00:28 »
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  • I should maybe quote the most ardent pro-shark fin person?
    In 2009, during a debate: http://www.nss.org.sg/old/pdf/NatureNews-200911.pdf
    "Dr Giam said that NGOs create the impression that millions of sharks are killed for their fins primarily to supply the Asian market. He said that fin consumption was not the primary cause of shark population decline, but shark catch by artisanal fishermen, commercial fishing bycatch and targeted catch by the EU (European Union). Citing FAO (Food and Agricultural Organization) figures, he said that artisanal fishermen make up 80% of the world’s total shark catch (equivalent to about 80 million sharks). Artisanal fishermen are defined by small scale commercial or subsistence fishing, mainly from Asia, India, Africa, and South America."

    Not bycatch??? Just some poor fishermen?

    How abt the thousands of sharks landed at the port in kesennuma - Japan? They are the bycatch for that 20 tunas?? People like Shawn Heinrichs are crazy - they spend time away from their families just to prove they are right? http://journal.bluespheremedia.com/

    You really should make time to attend the seminar on 16 feb... I m just a ordinary person, what I say don't carry weight, go n listen to experts... Any doubts, clear them at the q&a session...

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    Re: Automobile Association selling shark fin soup???
    « Reply #15 on: 07 Feb 12, 11:11 »
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  • & here is a wonderful group that does a lot of lobbying & they have vast interests. http://info.pewtrusts.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=aArYYTBiI7YRbgU1MhchFg&id=1316 & their barks could have bites too but without support, they would be weak too...

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    Re: Automobile Association selling shark fin soup???
    « Reply #16 on: 14 Feb 12, 15:03 »
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  • Happened to read this... Australian Tuna and Billfish Longline Fisheries Bycatch and Discarding Work Plan 2011-2013 http://www.afma.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Bycatch-Work-Plan-2011-13-FINAL.pdf

    "Sunfish
    Sunfish are largely a bycatch species in the ETBF which historically have had a low level of retention as they have no commercial value.  ETBF operators generally avoid interactions with sunfish as they are likely to be  tangled up in the fishing gear, which
    negatively affects long line fishing operations.
    Two species of Sunfish, Mola Mola and Mola Ramsayi, are rated as precautionary extremely high risk in the 2007 ERA risk assessment. This is mostly due to a high level of uncertainty in the data used for the risk assessment and their uncertain life history parameters in that they are thought to have a periodic life history strategy with late maturity, large clutches with low juvenile survivorship.  More data needs to be collected on the impacts of fishing interactions on adults of these species and their life history.
    Table 7 and Table 8 show that although sunfish are caught on the longlines in relatively high numbers, few are retained and between 95% and  100% of sunfish are released alive as they are mostly cut off at the line before being brought to the boat.

    Sharks
    The ETBF and WTBF mainly catch pelagic shark species that are capable of large migrations, extending beyond the Australian EEZ.  Therefore, Australia has international obligations to manage shark species under IOTC and WCPFC management measures.  Excessive removal of these species from the environment can have consequences such
    as altered trophic interactions.  However many of these species are known to survive capture and have a high survivorship rate when released.   
    The tables below outline the most commonly caught and discarded shark species in the ETBF and the WTBF from observer records.  In both fisheries, Blue Shark, Shortfin Mako and Crocodile sharks are commonly caught, however the majority of these sharks are released alive and vigorous."

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    Re: Automobile Association selling shark fin soup???
    « Reply #17 on: 14 Feb 12, 16:06 »
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  • i know the most easiest way to conserve the environment. KILL ALL HUMANS... we're the one who come into eco system, and all we contribute is by shitting. That's if our shits actually become fertilizers. so... kill all humans and make this world a better place... maybe we can save the world too... hahahahaa

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