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Author Topic: 7 skies wreck destroyed by illegal salvaging ops!!  (Read 7223 times)

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Already 10 years ago, was on a trip with Black Manta & we also met a salvage boat there. BM's Crew checked the boat's papers & apparently they were authorised to do salvage work. Never managed to dive the wreck even back then.

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The question is not what a wreck looks like at 40 meters - the simple fact is that no LOB operator in Singapore can live off technical divers, the most I have seen was about half a boat being technical and half recreational. A wreck that deep makes no sense for the average diver, so boats won't go there anymore. Singapore lost it's best spot for whale sharks... and it won't come back - unless the salvage boat gets sunk at the same spot. How about that? The crane on it would make a nice dive site.
I think sinking the barge and crane there is a good idea.  Its good that this kind of activities gets attention and great work by the dive race guys! 

But moving forward, I think its necessary to take action instead of just talking about such things and reacting to such crimes. Perhaps some kind soul like to come up with ideas or lead a campaign?  Can we do anything to help actively protect these sites?  Could we monitor these sites by using online AIS information (Diverace could see their ID on AIS)? Form volunteer patrols (manpower, equipment and funds)? Ideas?
So they call it a 'FACT' coz someone made some statements on a 'FACT SHEET'? hummm...

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Ideas?

What if they'd switch their system off next time?

Simply put: as long as salvaging is worth doing it will some poor souls do so. They are not even stopping from war graves like HMS Repulse, so why would they stop from salvaging a tanker like 7skies? The problem is that the theft happend in remote places that are hard to monitor. And now the damage is done - what would any monitoring do good? Since the super structure is gone is the dive site gone - end of story. Key issue is that you'd need the awareness before something actually happens. Only way to somehow fix it in my eyes is to put something there artificially to create a dive site.

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What if they'd switch their system off next time?

Simply put: as long as salvaging is worth doing it will some poor souls do so. They are not even stopping from war graves like HMS Repulse, so why would they stop from salvaging a tanker like 7skies? The problem is that the theft happend in remote places that are hard to monitor. And now the damage is done - what would any monitoring do good? Since the super structure is gone is the dive site gone - end of story. Key issue is that you'd need the awareness before something actually happens. Only way to somehow fix it in my eyes is to put something there artificially to create a dive site.
I believe if we try hard enough, there are surely something practical we could do to protect the rest, or for whats left. We have the choice to resign to fate or we could try do something about it.  Simple action of Diverace crew saved the rest of the wreck and got the criminals detained.  So for a start, perhaps we can try ensure enough pressure is given to the indon authorities to take stern action (sinking the barge along with the crane next to 7sky is a good start!).  This may create some form of deterrent. Ideas anyone?
So they call it a 'FACT' coz someone made some statements on a 'FACT SHEET'? hummm...

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I believe if we try hard enough, there are surely something practical we could do to protect the rest, or for whats left. We have the choice to resign to fate or we could try do something about it.  Simple action of Diverace crew saved the rest of the wreck and got the criminals detained.  So for a start, perhaps we can try ensure enough pressure is given to the indon authorities to take stern action (sinking the barge along with the crane next to 7sky is a good start!).  This may create some form of deterrent. Ideas anyone?

How about registration of dive vessels who want to visit the wrecks? Surely their navies have radar that can detect unauthorised vessels parked at the site of wrecks?

The salvage vessels need to be of certain size so I think they will register on the radar?

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Radar coverage may not reach remote sites like the 7 Skies wreck. Ships can also turn off their AIS if they want. I heard that some ships sailing through high risk areas (like the Gulf of Eden) will purposely disable their AIS to prevent pirates from tracking them. It's easy for a ship (even big ones) to disappear in the open ocean if they want to.

I think illegal salvaging falls low on the priorities of coast guards and Navies. As it currently stands, the rewards far outweigh the risks for these illegal salvage ships.

Unlike illegal fishing, which Indonesia loses billions of dollars to each year, how much would they lose to illegal salvage operations?

The dive boats from Singapore and Malaysia sure don't spend that much nor visit that often.

One place I know where there's some action to protect the wrecks is in Subic Bay, Phillipines. Over there, the locals will stake out wrecks some nights to chase away salvagers. The local community has recognised the value of the wrecks - tourists coming to dive, spending $ in the local economy. Salvaging the wrecks would wreck (pun intended ) the local diving economy, so they take action to preserve the wrecks, even if it's by themselves.

So back to 7 Skies - who would care enough to patrol the wreck? Divers only visit occasionally and can't patrol the area. It's too far away for local DCs to patrol. The locals (and local government) don't see the wreck bringing them any benefit. The Indon central government surely has more important issues to worry about.

So what's the next best option? Next time someone discovers a nice wreck that's not already public knowledge, keep the GPS coordinates secret! Salvage operations can't salvage what they can't find. I'm sure as hell they don't use underwater sonars to scour the open seas to find wrecks to salvage.
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You are right, visit of LOB to the wreck doesn't bring value to Indo, why would they care and spend resources to protect it? I don't think they are interested to protect it, let along spend resources to track which boat visit the wreck.

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For those who are interested in diving Wrecks around this region, better visit the Igara Wreck, which is also quite good and dive it before it is gone again.

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There is another video taken by our Diver last Sunday, the visibility was great and not much current.

https://www.facebook.com/AndamanTritan


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Hm...  I do not think the barge in question was arrested...