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Title: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: DIN on 04 May 11, 15:47
Dayang & Tioman are our favourite islands in Malaysia. For the everyone benefit, I am asking if anyone has the best evacuation plan in case of diving emergency i.e. DCI

From what I gathered, the best method is to ferry the victim back to Mersing via speedboat and then ambulance transfer to Kuantan Naval Base, where there is a military run Hyperbaric Chamber or direct to Singapore. The journey will take approximately at least 5 or 6 hours.

Here's is my questions:


Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: Alvin Ho on 04 May 11, 16:01
nope. issue was discussed in the old Fins forum. From what i remember, can't do air evac as procedures for the usual air evac by RSAF involves getting clearance from  malaysian authorities and usually it takes so long that a sea evac back to land is faster. guess it'll be easier to get a response by asking DANAP's John Lippman direct.
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: chintin on 04 May 11, 17:10
Hi all.

Probably can visit to http://www.divewerkz.com/docs/eap.pdf for more details and contact if Emergency Evacuation needed.

Hope it help.

Dive safely, dive responsibly ....

Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: Kentish_karl on 04 May 11, 17:21
My understanding is that Kuantan Naval Base does not accept non military victim/patients and that SG is the nearest chamber we can use.

Looks like your helping DMT's out to complete their EAP  ;D
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: Pirate on 04 May 11, 21:33
If evacuating back to Singapore, the available Chambers are as such;

1. Singapore General Hospital
2. Tan Tock Seng
3. RSN Hyperbaric Medical Services (Sembawang camp)

*will post tel numbers later.

DCI is not the killer, AGE is.

Can happen at any depth, without exceeding depth and duration.
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: MrTakTahu on 04 May 11, 22:22
In Tioman, there's a couple of choice - air evacuation at the airport via Int'l SOS, air ambulance, etc to SG or via speedboat evacuation to Mersing Hospital.

In Aur/ Dayang, the only choice is via speedboat evacuation to Mersing.

In any emergency, it is vital that the casualty receives medical care within the 1st hour commonly known as the Golden Hour in medical term. For diving related incident, stabilization must be done 1st prior to any treatment.

RSAF has no jurisdiction as both islands are outside our Search And Rescue Region. Diplo clearance won't come in time.

As for the contact nos, refer to the thread i've posted earlier on different Asian countries.
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: tigershue on 04 May 11, 23:03
nope. issue was discussed in the old Fins forum. From what i remember, can't do air evac as procedures for the usual air evac by RSAF involves getting clearance from  malaysian authorities and usually it takes so long that a sea evac back to land is faster. guess it'll be easier to get a response by asking DANAP's John Lippman direct.

Yep, no singaporean helicopter flying into Msia. We might shoot it down by mistake. Which defeats the purpose of such evac.
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: limk on 04 May 11, 23:20
i think last time sg navy got no. posted on DAN list but now no more
most likely some long painful ride back to sg medical care
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: timyang on 05 May 11, 03:40
In Tioman, there's a couple of choice - air evacuation at the airport via Int'l SOS, air ambulance, etc to SG or via speedboat evacuation to Mersing Hospital.

I think air evacuation via Tioman is probably the best option.
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: DIN on 11 May 11, 00:09
I email DAN and got a reply from them.

I ask them the same question and here's their reply: 
The general answer to this querie is that you are evacuated to the nearest appropriate medical facility at the time of the accident and it is the Doctor on Duty's call where that is.
 
All evacuations are organised by DAN and TRAVEL ASSIST together regardless of the method of transport.

 


Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: MrTakTahu on 11 May 11, 06:54
The onus on the medical practitioner to diagnose symptoms & render medical care. DAN will only manage the medivac. Still need a coordinator to take care of the ground efforts, etc. Presumably, it's job of the DC.
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: chintin on 11 May 11, 07:58
I email DAN and got a reply from them.

I ask them the same question and here's their reply:  
The general answer to this querie is that you are evacuated to the nearest appropriate medical facility at the time of the accident and it is the Doctor on Duty's call where that is.
 
All evacuations are organised by DAN and TRAVEL ASSIST together regardless of the method of transport.

The ANSWER sounds like no answer to me  :(
 


Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: matrix23x on 11 May 11, 08:22
why do i feel like the answer from them is like as gd as a do or die thing... as well as being evacuate will be late...
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: MrTakTahu on 11 May 11, 08:54
c'mon, let's be objective here! as much as DAN wanna help, they are also constraint by geo-political environment. at least, we can be rest assured that there's someone at the end of the line managing your emergency request in times of need.

the issue here is WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO IN THE MEANTIME TILL HELP ARRIVES...
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: limk on 11 May 11, 09:40
the local diveshop/resort can do stuff before 'help' arrives
administer oxygen, remove the shark teeth, simple first aid etc, to prepare for evacuation
i think there's a clause in DAN's insurance saying they'll cover expenses related to evac if the travelassist are coordinating so ie. call em' first
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: Alvin Ho on 11 May 11, 09:49
the local diveshop/resort can do stuff before 'help' arrives
administer oxygen, remove the shark teeth, simple first aid etc, to prepare for evacuation
i think there's a clause in DAN's insurance saying they'll cover expenses related to evac if the travelassist are coordinating so ie. call em' first

Yup reading the stories in the DAN newsletters really brings out the importance of the DAN travelassist people as their geared towards handling diving related issues. They're better equiped to handle and evaluate dive injuries as they know or they will have a dive doctor evaluate the symptoms and decide on the best course of action. Often times normal insurance companies are not equipped to do so and this results in delays in treatment or even dismissal of symptoms related to DCI or dive injuries.
From John's talk at Singpost before ADEX, i'm kinda assured that once DAN is called, he will be online/on the phone to manage your case every step of the way.
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: MrTakTahu on 11 May 11, 10:17
From John's talk at Singpost before ADEX, i'm kinda assured that once DAN is called, he will be online/on the phone to manage your case every step of the way.
That's the assurance you'll get from DAN!

It's vital that the DC, resort, etc has the necessary first aid equipment - at least an O2 & first aid kit at the very least in order to stabilise the victim till the evac arrives.
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: BlowBubbles on 11 May 11, 13:26
Is it possible for the boat to head to international water and then call SG Navy for rescue?
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: Alvin Ho on 11 May 11, 14:19
Is it possible for the boat to head to international water and then call SG Navy for rescue?

Interesting idea. Not sure how far is the international borders are from Dayang though. Gotta check that out.
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: MrTakTahu on 11 May 11, 14:27
Is it possible for the boat to head to international water and then call SG Navy for rescue?
dun tink it's a good idea as the distance from the islands to the Singapore Search and Rescue Region is quite far and poses more danger than safety. The reasons being rescue at sea is far more challenging as compared to land and the type of vessels used is also a big factor.

Tioman and Aur Islands are more closer to the Anambas Islands which fall under the Indonesian territory. That's why it's much easier to organise LOB trips to 7skies & Anambas Island as they are located within a few hours journey.
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: hellhole on 11 May 11, 14:32
although singapore navy is eng.. but i think not so eng as that.. :D

maybe if u are nathan, lky,lhl,ltk,etc :D
Title: Re: Emergency Evacuation Plan from Dayang & Tioman
Post by: chintin on 11 May 11, 15:12
why do i feel like the answer from them is like as gd as a do or die thing... as well as being evacuate will be late...

get the info, get ready to give hand IF / INCASE   something happens ... for sure , you can't use on your own ...  ;D